The deparure from even a pretense of science and into hysteria and threats is hard to read as other than a swan song or the final phrenetic acrobatics of a chicken with its head cut off. It allows our most engaged readers to debate the big issues, share their own experiences, discuss real-world solutions, and more. [according to AIMS]. Surprise! Stupid scientists with your ‘accuracy’.”. The white sands they speak of are calcium, not silica, or at least a high percentage . I guess they just see what they want to see. Too many scientists seem to have adopted the theory CO2 induced climate change/global warming is killing off the coral. Then click on the link and it opens. How much change in alkaline ph was there again? theyre still there but decades of volunteers killing them has helped, now they have some? Leon You are free to make that choice, but if you try and impose it on me, I will fight you with every fiber of my being! Are they? Writer Rich Landers of The Spokesman-Review also announced that scientists had pronounced the Great Barrier Reef dead. However, these do not account for the intense coral bleaching events that have occurred in recent years. The Southport area has traditionally been one where the Nerang River breaks through the shoreline around Southport every so often and then the Spit gradually elongates north again with deposited sand until the river breaks through again. In your case yes, think about what you just said. The Battle for the Truth about Global Warming, “…invaluable” – Steven F. Hayward, The Weekly Standard, “…changed the world and is one of the most influential resources on global warming. . Is that a flock of Gloucester Old Spot* overhead? To see the reality of this examine the wreck of the Yongala, sitting an an expanse of barren sandy bottom, now festooned with the most amazing array of coral and marine life. Rising sea levels. My observations are that coral will regrow very quickly where ever favorable conditions exist. Of course the Barrier is not a flood barrier at all and has always had quite a different purpose which it does well. Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile. Reefs are mainly composed of Calcium Carbonate. Reefs are some greatest storage source of Carbon on the planet. Let’s return to your false metaphor, paulyc. Dr G: Oh yeah. He said it was important Ms Ley had not taken the word of scientists or tourism operators but had “put on the gear and gone under the water to see for herself”. For Sussan Ley to declare the entire reef is fine on the basis of a single dive is a ludicrous as the claims made in 2016-17 that the entire reef was dying. Laws that Prof Peter Ridd said could decimate coastal towns up and down the state! Clearly, the tourists wanted to see the reefs in all their glory, and stayed away in droves because of what they had all heard. – Hilarity Ensues. The sea level around the Australian coast was then about 120 meters lower than it is today. You don’t see that wide expanse of sand at low tide any more. Then why aren’t the levels rising EVERYWHERE??? You should google a guy who runs the blog EEVBlog, an electrical engineer who has thoroughly debunked this idea! Most of those tourism companies are thrilled the reef isn’t dead. “Today we saw coral that was struggling but we also saw coral that was coming back, that was growing, that was vibrant,” Ms Ley said. For permission, contact us. The sand is now over the old road and rail bridges. The Great Barrier Reef, the only living structure visible from outer space, took hundreds of thousands of years to develop and is home to one of Earth’s most complex ecosystems. This would explain why there are reefs reaching the surface [bommies] surrounded by deep water. Yet, current issues are affecting the reef, causing the death of some parts, … She isn’t observing facts. Just recently, the Queensland Labor Party approved Adani’s Carmichael megamine – set to be the largest in Australia. Create a commenting name to join the debate, There are no Independent Premium comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts, There are no comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts. Well apparently those “scientists” aren’t very good at their job, so yeah. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/26/sussan-ley-stands-firm-against-live-sheep-trade-despite-turnbull-rebuke ?w=1023&ssl=1. According to the Australian Institute of Marine Science, the most recent (2017-18) survey of Moore reef showed 0-5% coral cover, compared with about 20% in the 1980’s. Far from being dissolved by CO2 levels 20 times higher than today, they laid down so much mineral in their tissues that it survived till today, more than half a billion years. It’s a myth of course. Nothing to do with development? One to watch, she faced off the live sheep exporter that was responsible for the carnage on a ship headed over the hot Indian Ocean to the Middle East. The “little, black rock” is playing a huge role in threatening the reef’s existence. rises for ten years then goes flat for five years, then drops for 5 years) then correlation can be a helpful hint at where cause and effect might lie. More good news… Do nutrient dumps on living coral mean they all die, or does this allow the recolonisation of the appropriate symbiots to enhance the reef. Remi began talking, tentatively at first and then resolutely, about once again booking a trip to the Great Barrier Reef. the Great Barrier Reef is being bleached and is dying at a rapid pace. In relation to bleaching and climate change, he said it was not a new phenomenon: “It has been happening for millennia.”. It may be necessary to examine data. Don’t trust any politician when it comes to GBR. Not those guys. If so, what is the chance of increase, bearing in mind coral reefs thrive as water warms, Right – ignore scientists that have been studying it for decades and go and have a look over the side of a boat in a few places and make your decision based on that. Just as it has for 4 billion years, minimum. This is classic fake news. Using beach erosion to judge sea level rise is a poor method. I actually caught a climate scientist saying on a website that the theory was so obviously correct that any contrary data could be ignored.Comment was later deleted. Natural occurrences, such as Cyclone Debbie on 28 March 2017, have also added to the rising damage to the Reef causing breaking and uplifting of the coral. And I doubt it even rates a mention in the Australian version of the Grauniad. ” It has taken marine biologists decades of painstaking research, observation and recording to CONCLUDE that global warming is leading to acidification of our oceans which in turn is causing coral bleaching.”. Put that in your third grade bubble pipe, and swallow soap. Well a strong arctic cold front/upper trof is about to take over AK’s weather for the next 10days. So…why don’t you come out and say that the theory that the GBR is dying because of AGW is false? Steve Some data show it may be life giving. we are burning a 100 million barrels of oil a day, this produces the equivalent of 250 million barrels”. TBF Aussie Govt. Oh for Pete’s sake! In 2017, the Australian Climate Council released a second report following the Reef’s second wave of mass coral bleaching. Actually, despite pollution and other human activity, there is evidence that corals in the Gulf of Akaba Obviously, I was wrong, because the experts said it was dry. Every time there’s a decent storm, Broadbeach sand is carried north and then built up over time again from the south. Hasn’t the reef been destroyed by the Crown of Thorns starfish plague? Hypocritically, they whine and carp about other people. Member for Farrer Many of the mature breeding adults died in the bleaching events of 2016–17 leading to low coral birth rates. HAHAHAHAHA! Some claim the number is 15%, but are unable to prove the number. 02:28. Great Barrier Reef is better than expected: Ley. They use precise transect locations from one year to another and video along it with a set FOV then classify species and percent cover in the lab after field season (summer) is over. I believe it is done on Green Is off Cairns but that is a hot tourist spot. … Similarly, lack of correlation can in some cases be a useful indicator that there is no causation. Smarter than a grade 5er? All of the solar road projects have been an abject failures not just the first, but all of them. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The University may yet appeal Ridd’s win in the Federal Circuit Court. They are quite right: according to GBR models, the GBR is dead. Not giving the funds to the likes of the JCU may well have happened over the Peter Rudd matter, serves them right. How can she even know if she has nothing to compare it to. I get the feeling wattsupwiththat doesn’t seem to get the glaring problem of going from fossil carbon storage to much less stable carbon containment media. You can’t have a locust plague if there is no vegetation. “The Reef supports a huge variety of marine biodiversity and an estimated 69,000 Australian jobs, and provides $7 billion to the Australian economy every year,” reads a report from the Australian Climate Council. Old pictures of 90 Mile Beach in NZ show quite a few images of wide open sand at low tide. Just wait for the CAGW lobby to claim that Minister Ley didn’t visit the correct parts of the GBR and cherry picked those locations where the die off was only just starting. The Great Barrier Reef is 2,300 km long and can be seen from space from its position off the coast of Queensland, Australia. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. “With such extraordinary diversity of life and landscape, it provided some of the most thrilling marine adventures on earth to humans who visited. Over what time period?”. Feynman clearly didn’t know what he was talking about when it comes to climate “science”. Read our full mailing list consent terms here. “Mecki August 17, 2019 at 12:00 pm I assume heat, but not that of water ever so slightly warmer but sunbaked heat. It is not ‘his claim’. How the Great Barrier Reef was formed – Twenty thousand years ago. Surely you can do better than that. Mini-satellites help map Great Barrier Reef 05:31. Climate scientists deny the reality of the natural world we measure to prove a Malthusian presumption of imminent disaster that simply doesn’t happen, and hasn’t happened durng similar changes in the past(clue there) – because they are paid to in their cosy academic lives in Departments of (pseudo) Climate SCience we p are made to pay for. Do nutrients benefit the reef over time and allow robust growth and maturity over time? You are mistaking reefs for diatoms, copepods, and other life that build shells to live within. So you are saying that the minister should not believe her lying eyes? http://joannenova.com.au/2016/12/prof-peter-ridd-bleaching-is-not-new-like-coral-spawning-we-just-discovered-it-the-1980s/ on Red Sea reefs. It suggests there is growing scepticism of scientists, particularly those in the condition of coral field. https://tinyurl.com/y65txvms. if there ever was a problem for the reef they really were a biggie. Wouldn’t it be a better plan for you, John to ignore those renegade scientists who have been studying the reef for decades and don’t see an imminent catastrophe? Anyway, some good news from the politicians for a change. Didn’t Dr. Ridd get some kind of award from his climateering colleagues for criticizing their devious work? Steve, Unless you harvest your own wool, cotton, yucca, hemp, silk and spin your own thread and yarns then weave your own fabric? I wish more climate scientists would enter politics properly rather than sniping from the safe sidelines of their academic tenure. Dr Peter Ridd is one of the scientists who has studied the reef for many years, but he came to fifferent conclusions …so instead of taking him on with facts and evidence. The QUT developed a killer drone years ago but there seems to be a lack of enthusiasm and money to deploy them. Which explains why climate dooms and predictions have utterly failed to occur over the last thirty years. It’s alway the mark of activists. For unexplainable reasons, the Queensland government has continued to support expanding coal mines and ports. Still, the numbers you cite are only 4% of CO₂ emissions. It is my opinion, that humans will get ever better at minimizing damaging impacts on our planet, but only if we ensure we have access to cheap reliable energy. Keeping in mind, that those allegedly renewable energy sources kill bats and birds by the multitudes and have reversed populations recovery of large raptors and carrion birds. It looks like your Alarmist scientists may never have seen the GBR quite so close up as Ms.Ley. “oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change”; is a comment that ignores reality. I feel that if such damage existed it would have been gleefully made available. Sussan Ley should recruit more members of her staff to regularly dive on the GBR. Oh yes, believe the guys who occupations, funding and belief systems are dependent upon shrilling Great Barrier Reef doom. Ever walked the beach on an idyllic tropical island? But she obviously didn’t dive in the right places! Plenty of evidence that the sea levels are rising. e.g. Thoughtless confirmation bias. https://dailygalaxy.com//?s=great+barrier+reef If the Great Barrier Reef could survive the previous interglacial period, the Eemian, which was warmer than this one then it sure can survive this one. When you have tourism companies and scientists measuring changes over decades but she thinks it’s wrong because she enjoyed her first scuba dive. The Great Barrier Reef, which extends for over 2,300 kilometers (1429 miles) along the northeastern coast of Australia, is home to over 9,000 known species.There are likely many more—new discoveries are frequently being made, including a new species of branching coral discovered in 2017. You can ignore BS artists when you do what a scientist would have done. The existing Open Comments threads will continue to exist for those who do not subscribe to Independent Premium. I cried in my goggles. I’m sure in the near future we shall read public apologies from all the reef scientists who declared the fake climate emergency. I’ll tell you why: some areas are undergoing subsidence, which means that the land SINKS. The coastal mountain ranges we see today in north-eastern Australia were further inland. The Great Barrier Reef is dying at an unprecedented pace. The number of new corals on the Great Barrier Reef crashed by 89% after the climate change-induced mass bleaching of 2016 and 2017.. Scientists … But nevermind the fact that the farmer, who knows his orchard, and has spent the last 10 years watching all the trees on his farm, and has tracked and counted a large percentage of them dying off… can tell you the measured truth of the situation that all is not good. Now time to look at the scientists who have said it was going away and ask explain. How can she even know if she has nothing to compare it to. She didn’t come down in the last shower eh? The ocean temperature has increased by about 1 degree Celsius since the 1800s. I seen’t it! It’s good to see a responsible minister actually going and have a look first hand. According to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation, the human influence has caused a 50% decline in the overall coral bed from 1985 to 2012. However, both claims could be misleading: there is a huge difference between ‘dead’ and ‘dying’. Surprise. PUBLISHED March 21, 2016 Scientists have discovered an unprecedented die-off in the world's largest reef, the Great Barrier Reef, prompting the … Thus proving this sill person never bothered to read the full account of Ms. Ley visiting the GBR. Were the last such events partially caused by low tide at 12 noon at the height of Summer? Sussan Ley is prepared to actually go on site and examine the evidence for herself. That field trip also suggests, science is reestablishing its rightful place in society and in the general scheme of things, i.e. Always. Right. Why didn’t all that “carbonic acid” dissolve all marine calcified organisms? http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/featurednews/title_222710_en.html Now maybe it would be all scientific “fun and games” if it was just an academic question. Wish other Ministers were more like her. Yesterday the experts told me it was dry here with no rain, yet I went outside and got rained on. Despite this observed data, if one believes that CO2 causes sea level rise, isn’t that good for the GBR? But it is no longer broad. Huh! Now to wait for a response from the Labour opposition. we need to save the reef or our environmental quality will quickly plummet. Leon Welcome to the coral dooming since the 1980s vs some past doomings- Politician- “they’re lying! Don’t expect any mention by the Labour opposition, such matters are best forgotten. Most Australian alarmists believe the reef is dead, all of it and the death is due to coal, CO2 etc etc. Except Nature overwhelms mankind causing NOAA to use modeled numbers rather than the satellite’s. I got sidetracked at the time modelling the economy with punch cards and a DEC10 so I’m not up with all the finer nuances of deep science. 20,000 years ago, the world was starting to emerge from the most recent ice age. Carbon dioxide’s solubility reduces as water warms; carbonic acid also decreases as temperatures warm. What a load of shit. Uh, no. aw ay from renewables and more towards the use of cheap coal. Now Madang is almost on the Equater, so the water is nice and warm, far warmer than most of the water on the GBR, and “Leon August 17, 2019 at 5:11 pm Well, before we start handing out compliments let’s see them do something about taxpayer funding of alarmists and let’s see them hold people to account. Or just the ones screaming emotional panic stricken alarm? No scientist on the face of this planet…has ever been funded….to study nothing is happening here, …and saying it’s dying is the easiest way to be funded to study almost anything, There’s reason all these studies are inconclusive, I was going to say this in a reply to an earlier ‘wokey’ above. Sussan Ley has done it again. More often than when? Sydney Harbour sea level has supposedly been rising at a few mm per year for the past 150 years and guess what? And absolutely nothing to do with attempting to rubbish the science so that her government can continue to mine & burn coal like there’s no tomorrow. According to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation, the human influence has caused a 50% decline in the overall coral bed from 1985 to 2012. The US, France and Holland, every single one of them. Go paddle around the ice free Arctic in your skin on wood frame kayak and get back to us. Remember the government needs your carbon tax credit money. Must be a grade school weekend project; sign onto skeptic websites and spout foolishness. And the Red Sea water temperatures are higher (probably considerably higher). Looks great! The Great Barrier Reef, which stretches for 1,400 miles along Australia's coast, suffered an unprecedented coral bleaching event in the summer of 2016, … She should drag the media along too. How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/crown-of-thorns-starfish-killing-robot-great-barrier-reef-qld/10183072. 2: “she enjoyed her first scuba dive” But now we have development, canals, sand pumps and every other modern convenience to remove the temporary nature of the Gold Coast sand and you focus on global warming? Really? Accompanying Ms Ley on the visit this week has been Great Barrier Reef Foundation managing director Anna Marsden…”. In 2016, bleaching killed more than half of the shallow-water corals on the northern region of the Great Barrier Reef. But haven’t seen it since. ‘The Great Barrier Reef is dying’ claims the Washington Post. In fact, each of the 3000 individual reefs, along the entire 2000km length of the Great Barrier Reef, is a 50-100m high plateau of dead coral rubble that has built up over millennia. The bloated global warming industry certainly isn’t going to say “There now, my work is done.”. The real world, as you call it, is a sick and dangerous place. e.g. Government funding for new fossil fuel mining must come to a halt, the Reef 2050 Plan needs to be rewritten, and the country should adopt a climate change policy that would reduce the emission levels by 40-60% followed by 60-80%. If ever there was a big picture guy, there he was. The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change. Humans removed the apex predator, Great Triton Conch, for its pretty shells and COT got out of control, unsurprisingly. Crown of Thorns Starfish. 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