She might not be a gullible fool, but I know someone who is. Meanwhile, JCU and the University of New South Wales, along with others were sounding the alarm of Catastrophe on the whole of the GBR. The idea that a warmer world would affect the Coral is nonsense, what about the coral at the Red Sea. God help us I find it had to accept that our so called educated betters are truly that stupid. How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? However, she is an LNP minister of the Morrison Govn’t and all Aussie alarmists will dismiss her findings as being in the pay of “big coal”. Only studying it for a few decades? Interesting that the Environment Minister may be in a position to cut some funding to the institutions which created the scare. the last uses a description that has been valid for most of Earth’s history. Unfortunate. e.g. etc. Are you sure you want to mark this comment as inappropriate? Scientists- “Let’s carefully collect data in multiple locations over a time period, donut multiple times and confer with other scientists who have done it to make sure we accurately measure the overall flourishing or degradation of the Great Barrier Reef.”. Crown of Thorns Starfish. Ms. Ley spent three days with GBR experts visiting the GBR and talking to people who live on the land and those whose incomes depend upon a healthy GBR. In 2017, the Australian Climate Council released a second report following the Reef’s second wave of mass coral bleaching. What causes bleaching? That’s a fundamental mistake made by many a scientist in the past & probably still goes on & always will do, on top of which, warming waters merely suggest a warming world, but shed no light whatsoever upon the causes of such events! All synthetic fibers, plastics, metals, glass, phones, computers, TVs, screens, etc. (CNN) — Australia's Great Barrier Reef has lost 50% of its coral populations in the last three decades, with climate change a key driver of reef disturbance, a new study has found. Coral reefs are the most important oceanic ecosystem, and the Great Barrier Reef … But she obviously didn’t dive in the right places! “The Reef supports a huge variety of marine biodiversity and an estimated 69,000 Australian jobs, and provides $7 billion to the Australian economy every year,” reads a report from the Australian Climate Council. The basis on which Sussan has made her claim is a joke and as bad as some of the claims we see passed off as science for AGW. UNESCO has criticised the Australian Government for not taking greater steps to preserve the Reef since it was placed on their watch list in 2015. If the observable has shape (e.g. It is a far more complicated process than just saying the sea came up a few inches over the last 30 years (verified by tide gauges) and ignore the much more significant natural processes that build and erode beaches. Likely for eternity since wind and solar are by their natures extremely variable. She isn’t observing facts. Now to wait for a response from the Labour opposition. Now maybe it would be all scientific “fun and games” if it was just an academic question. If one strangles it first all looks good. If you had bothered to learn the facts, you would see that the ocean has ALWAYS absorbed CO2, and that the resulting ocean H2CO3 is a highly buffered system that NEVER made the oceans acidic. Sorry, I still have it on my screen, it has opened earlier immediately, without messages – but now, when I tried again, with the same URL,I’ve got the same paywall meassage that you. Looks great! A second mass bleaching in … Predictions that don’t match observations are wrong, whoever makes them. They need to be put to real work, mining coal, perhaps? For Sussan Ley to declare the entire reef is fine on the basis of a single dive is a ludicrous as the claims made in 2016-17 that the entire reef was dying. If this coincides with a clear windless day with no cooling water washing over the coral, the polyps cook. (Note to global warming deniers that the previous sentence was a joke – just in case you didn’t get it like you don’t get global warming). In the last 2 years the Great Barrier Reef has lost over half its coral. Since cataclysmic climate change was debunked by temperature predictions proving to be 300% higher than ultimate observations, eventhough every curve bending method known to climate wroughters was employed to shore up natures’s stingy contribution, plus a 2-decade Pause that followed the 2-decade warming that had energized the wroughters so much. I’m sure in the near future we shall read public apologies from all the reef scientists who declared the fake climate emergency. The tour operators were helpless, as they could, and would go out to the reefs every day and saw that the reefs were doing just fine. They use some version of a false strawman; Argument from authority, logical failure, ignore all future posts from John Hutton. Maybe because he is an expert without any ulterior motives for exaggeration. However, these do not account for the intense coral bleaching events that have occurred in recent years. “The world’s first solar road has turned out to be a colossal failure that’s falling apart and doesn’t generate enough energy, according to a report”, https://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-first-solar-road-turned-out-colossal-failure-2019-8?fbclid=IwAR0SQanXaWiQSljj5iWL-bqxeVwDWgYX3s6xOd7fIQO0innta_je12oPzwo. The mine wi… Just the same as the thousands of Pacific islands disappearing. Initial it is hard to see what Reefs and Polar bears have in common , their are very different situations in completely different parts of the world . I’m not sure many of the Reps will want to step out of their meeting rooms. Cliffs of Dover, marble and limestone quarries are not primarily from dead reefs, they are from benthic invertebrates. Perhaps the Minister is on top of her brief and has the bigger picture John- https://dailygalaxy.com//?s=great+barrier+reef When what you are being told is opposite to your observations, most competent people will conclude, Something is Rotten in Denmark. There are untold tons of broken coral and marine skeletons, more than enough to buffer the weak carbonic acid. Carbon dioxide forms carbonic acid in water which dissolves calcium carbonate aka many forms of coral and mollusks. The lowest of low tides happen after midday. ?w=1023&ssl=1. But they do share one thing , that research in these two areas has a dominant narrative that makes or breaks careers , and were funding and political support can be plentiful if the ‘right results ‘ are seen . I feel that if such damage existed it would have been gleefully made available. If ever there was a big picture guy, there he was. The fact a government minister does the looking is a good sign. As a result, the Australian Government adopted the Reef 2015 Plan, a $100 million project which looked to improve the water quality on the Reef. Sussan Ley is prepared to actually go on site and examine the evidence for herself. Finally, you have assumed WITHOUT EVIDENCE that CO2, which has existed in much higher levels in the atmosphere, is now suddenly killing coral in the oceans. This went on for a couple of years, with each report even more apocalyptic than the previous. More good news… However, both claims could be misleading: there is a huge difference between ‘dead’ and ‘dying’. But, no no no, one lay person takes a quick look at one small reef… er, I mean apple tree… and all the ludicrously naive commenter come out with “job well done” and “gee, she really knows her stuff” and “thankfully she went and checked it out for herself and we can believe her because of that.”. The back-to-back bleaching events in 2016 and 2017 has sent the Reef in a downward decline leaving parts of the coral beds completely unsalvageable. There might be an accounting for that. Of course they will fail to indicate the locations of the vast tracts of dying reef that should have been visited. And a stupid politician going oh…no loss of reef…… reminds me of the other stupid people going…… oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change. I’ll tell you why: some areas are undergoing subsidence, which means that the land SINKS. The reefs closer to Cairns showed stress after the bleaching event but when I dived them last year there was plenty of healthy coral. You wont read any apologies. If society is to progress and support 11 Billion people in a decent modern lifestyle we cannot allow overtly wrong beliefs to trump measured reality and proven physical relationships in our decisions, and must prefer to believe what actually happened or is happening. In a 2016 article “Obituary: Great Barrier Reef (25 Million BC- 2016)” , writer Rowan Jacobsen pronounced the jewel of the Australian coastline dead after a long illness. left high and drier after the last ice age? Shame that none of these alarmists have done what she is doing, actually going to have a look! Some material from contributors may contain additional copyrights of their respective company or organization. You reality is that a minister can go on a little fishing expedition and work out what’s happening? Far from being dissolved by CO2 levels 20 times higher than today, they laid down so much on their tissues that it survived till today, more than half a billion years. The “little, black rock” is playing a huge role in threatening the reef’s existence. And the Red Sea water temperatures are higher (probably considerably higher). The Red Sea is in the northern hemisphere, so the amount of CO2 in the air is probably slightly more than the GBR area. Our journalists will try to respond by joining the threads when they can to create a true meeting of independent Premium. It is home to over a thousand different types of marine life: 1400 types of hard coral, one third of the world’s soft coral, 1,625 species of fish, over 3000 species of molluscs, 630 types of starfish/sea urchins, 14 species of sea snakes, 215 types of birds, 133 different types of sharks and rays, 30 species of whales and dolphins, six out of seven species of marine turtles, and many species still undiscovered. Carbon dioxide’s solubility reduces as water warms; carbonic acid also decreases as temperatures warm. If it weren’t for the coronavirus pandemic, this would be front page news. Why would you listen to his assessment?. ‘I am a climate change sceptic and I firmly do not believe that climate change is going to kill the Great Barrier Reef’ etc. Except, those children who are immaturely hung-up about other people using coal and fossil fuels never seem to give up all of civilization’s benefits themselves. Remember the government needs your carbon tax credit money. Marine scientist Peter Ridd has begun a speaking tour in Queensland calling for a new body to check the quality of reef research. AtB. The bloated global warming industry certainly isn’t going to say “There now, my work is done.”. You mean like Peter Ridd? ” . As we speak we are cruising in Alaska; also subject of alarmism. “Meanwhile, the Australian Government continues to heavily subsidies the fossil fuel industry and is considering a loan of up to $1 billion to facilitate the construction of the Carmichael coal megamine,” writes UNESCO. The Great Barrier Reef illustrates how extensive the damage can be: Thirty percent of the coral perished in 2016, another 20 percent in 2017. In fact, each of the 3000 individual reefs, along the entire 2000km length of the Great Barrier Reef, is a 50-100m high plateau of dead coral rubble that has built up over millennia. If so, what is the chance of increase, bearing in mind coral reefs thrive as water warms, What you saw sounds about right, the reef is a very dynamic system where phenomenal changes are commonplace. The deparure from even a pretense of science and into hysteria and threats is hard to read as other than a swan song or the final phrenetic acrobatics of a chicken with its head cut off. You can find our Community Guidelines in full here. … Scientists haven’t been studying the GBR – they’ve been studying their models of the GCR. But now we have development, canals, sand pumps and every other modern convenience to remove the temporary nature of the Gold Coast sand and you focus on global warming? Fanatastic nature and the people here don’t mind it is a bit warmer and drier than usual, believe me. “To validate your claim that CO2 is threatening corals with carbonic dissolution, . They are very hardy critters. Of course the planet has gone through several mass extinctions not caused by mankind. It has to be irritating that someone insists on looking at the Great Barrier Reef and conflating it with the model. Without any substantiation, you both ‘declare’ what my reality is and you ‘declare’ what facts Aussie Environment Minister Sussan Ley observed, illustrating that you are just making things up to suit your irrational world view while casting aspersions on anyone that doesn’t participate in your fantasies. Great Barrier Reef Undergoes Successful 'Coral IVF' Treatment It's the first test of its kind and it could save the dying reef. For a change, here is an Environment Minister who is not a gullible fool. Pushback finally happened when the Tourist Industry got clobbered because of all the bad news about the reefs. https://tinyurl.com/y65txvms. Paul C August 17, 2019 at 3:16 pm So you do know that reefs and Corals require Carbon Dioxide in the water to grow right. I hope the stupidity is a small bump in the road or God help my grandsons. No scientific credentials needed. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/26/sussan-ley-stands-firm-against-live-sheep-trade-despite-turnbull-rebuke Just another opinion…and we all have one. Irrational denial of reality. BTW, how’s that big shiney ball thing up in the sky doing, has it started to settle into a Grand Solar Minimum yet? the Corals are beautiful, so no problem with a few degrees warmer. The effect is akin to a forest after a devastating fire. “You just can’t get a reliable canary these days.”. It’s “Climate catastrophe” now, sheesh. But sadly, it seems as though the coral in the Great Barrier Reef will continue to die out, as water temperatures continue rising with the ongoing climate crisis, and as marine heatwaves are becoming increasingly more prevalent. Not giving the funds to the likes of the JCU may well have happened over the Peter Rudd matter, serves them right. To validate your claim to possess a sentient brain, can you please explain for us how it was that multiple phyla of marine calcified organisms, both free living and sessile, evolved, thrived and spread around the world during the Cambrian era when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was 20 (that’s twenty) times higher than it is now? in the last 13,000 years? have you heard of carbonic acid? I suspect bleaching impacts further South were even less. Could I refer you to the work of Dr. Peter Ridd? Ms. Ley clearly isn’t a scientist, and her observations should not be construed as those of a scientist. [according to AIMS]. it’s an attempt to untangle the web they have woven. So the Environment Minister goes to see for herself. Want an ad-free experience?Subscribe to Independent Premium. Humans removed the apex predator, Great Triton Conch, for its pretty shells and COT got out of control, unsurprisingly. More power to her, may her tribe increase. Sussan Ley has done it again. The Great Barrier Reef is officially in critical condition. ” It has taken marine biologists decades of painstaking research, observation and recording to CONCLUDE that global warming is leading to acidification of our oceans which in turn is causing coral bleaching.”. Ever walked the beach on an idyllic tropical island? ‘The Great Barrier Reef is dying’ claims the Washington Post. You mean the islands that are not disappearing? Are they? 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